I'm Ben xand and keep watching if you
我是 Ben x，如果你
want to know how I got access to some of
想知道我是如何接触到一些
the
wells okay ready
井的，请继续关注，好吧，准备好
rolling this is a very dangerous
滚动，这是一个非常危险的
region
地区，
keep watching if you want to know how I
如果你想知道我
got access to some of the world's most
是如何接触到一些世界上最
dangerous people and what went on behind
危险的人的，请继续关注 King PBS 的幕后发生了什么
the scenes of King
PBS okay I can see the Tigers oh my
好吧，我可以看到老虎队哦，我的
[Music]
[音乐]
God my name is Ben and I'm a documentary
上帝，我的名字是本，我是一名纪录片
filmmaker and I make documentaries about
制片人，我制作关于
a lot of bad people you know criminals
很多坏人的纪录片，你知道，罪犯，
pimp pins drug lords and in this video
皮条客，毒枭 在这段视频中，
I'm going to be explaining how the hell
我将解释我到底该怎么
I do that how do I get them to talk to
做，我该如何让他们跟
me what's it like and is it
我说话，这是什么样的，这
[Applause]
dangerous I've been to Mexico Colombia
危险吗[鼓掌][音乐]我去过墨西哥哥伦比亚
um El Salvador Guatemala ner Nigeria
和萨尔瓦多危地马拉 尼日利亚、
Venezuela the UK and interviewed gang
委内瑞拉、英国，并
members multiple times with a series
通过《王牌婴儿床》等系列节目多次采访帮派成员，
like kingping cribs the whole premise is
整个前提是
that we're trying to kind of see every
我们试图了解
inch of a kingpin's life we see Mansions
一个王牌人物生活的每一寸，我们看到豪宅，
we see cars we see tigers we see
我们看到汽车，我们看到老虎，我们看到
girlfriends fena Labs crack cocaine Labs
女朋友 fena Labs 快克可卡因实验室
want to see how much money you have The
想看看你有多少钱
Spoils of War for these guys which is
这些家伙的战利品这真是
really unheard of they play video games
闻所未闻 他们玩电子游戏
they like to have sex you know they like
他们喜欢做爱 你知道他们喜欢
money they like their nice life they get
钱 他们喜欢美好的生活 他们得到
cars the ones who say yes tend to be the
汽车 那些说“是”的人 往往是
guys who are a little bit narcissistic
有点自恋的人，
you you know they feel misunderstood by
你知道他们感到被
society and they want people to see it
社会误解，他们希望人们以
their
他们的
way in terms of getting a drug lord to
方式看待毒枭与
talk to you there's a few new stages the
你交谈有几个新阶段，
first stage is finding them in the first
第一阶段是找到他们 在第一个
place quite often people kind of assume
地方，人们常常认为
that I just have a a kind of phone book
我只是有一本电话簿，里面
full of like Pablo escobars around the
充满了世界各地的巴勃罗·埃斯科巴尔，
world uh that is not the reality at all
呃，这根本不是现实，
it's really just having a lot of very
它实际上只是在世界各地拥有很多非常
good journalistic contacts in different
好的新闻联系人。
places after a number of phone calls
经过多次电话之后，
you'll land up on a person who's like a
你会在不同的地方找到一个像修理工一样的人，
fixer and I suppose they're going to
我想他们会
take us to the lab from there and they
从那里带我们去实验室，他们
will kind of be the middlemen connecting
将成为连接
us for that kind of initial meeting they
我们进行那种初始的中间人 他们
may have gone to school with these
可能和这些
people or they've done stories on them
人一起上过学，或者他们写过关于他们的故事，
and they've made contact over the
多年来他们一直保持着联系，
years the second stage of it is like
第二阶段就像是
actually meeting them for the first time
第一次真正见到他们，
flying over there not really knowing if
飞到那里，但并不知道
they're going to show up cuz these guys
他们是否’ 我们会出现，因为这些人
are you know not the most easy to pin
是你认识的，不是最容易
down so you can't speak the language no
确定的，所以你不会说这种语言，没有
basball you're meeting criminals you
棒球，你会遇到罪犯，
have like kidnap gangs arms dealers drug
比如绑架团伙、军火商、
lords so like you're hoping the fixer
毒枭，所以就像你希望修复者一样
knows what he's
doing whenever I go out to do a story
每当我出去拍
like this I'm always nervous especially
这样的故事时，我都知道他在做什么我总是很紧张，尤其是
on the first day cuz you don't know how
在第一天，因为你不知道
they're going to react you don't know if
他们会如何反应，你不知道
they're going to flip out all right so
他们是否会发脾气 好吧，
today I'm on my way to meet a Lebanese
今天我要去见一个黎巴嫩
arms dealer you know I've had people get
军火商，你知道，
in my face before um you know pull a gun
之前有人打过我的脸，你知道，拔出枪
out on me pull weapons out um kind of
指着我，拔出武器，嗯，有点
threaten me you're just kind of in this
威胁我，你只是善良 在这种
state of anxiety the whole time you end
焦虑的状态下，你最终
up spending a lot of time just waiting
花了很多时间
in car Parks they seem to love meeting
在停车场等待，他们似乎喜欢
in car parks for some reason then they
在停车场见面，因为某种原因，然后他们
won't turn up and they'll just ignore
不会出现，他们会一
you the whole day they won't even come
整天都忽略你 大多数时候他们甚至不会来，
most of the time they'll send somebody
他们会派人
to meet you that person will then drive
来见你，然后那个人会开车送
you to a location of which you can't
你到一个你无法
record the journey or they're tell you
记录旅程的地方，或者他们告诉你
not to record it um then they'll rush
不要记录，然后他们’ 会把
you into a house kind of all scary a bit
你冲进一所房子，有点可怕，有点
crazy and then you'll just be sat there
疯狂，然后你就会坐在那儿，拿着
guys with guns B clas on uh all looking
枪的 B 类人，呃，看起来
a bit awkward and um and then yeah
有点尴尬，嗯，然后，是的，
you'll kind of just be like you know
你就会像你知道的那样
kind of a bit concerned bit like scared
有点担心，有点害怕，
and then uh and then they'll come in and
然后呃，然后他们就会
just like size you up they're just
进来，就像打量你一样，他们真的
freaking terrifying and they'll
太可怕了，他们会
purposely try and challenge
故意尝试挑战
you it's usually a pretty intense
你[音乐]，这通常是一次非常紧张的
experience going to bed at night and
上床经历 晚上，我
knowing that you're going to have to
知道你将不得不
film with them again I often push my
再次与他们一起拍摄，我经常将
suit case in front of my door so I can
手提箱推到门前，这样我就可以
hear somebody coming especially when
听到有人过来，尤其是当
you're in a place where like it feels
你在一个感觉
like they have a lot of control because
他们有很多东西的地方时 控制，因为
you don't know if someone in the hotel
你不知道酒店里是否有人
is working for them and keeping tabs
为他们工作并密切关注，
there was dangerous moments in every
每次拍摄都有危险时刻，
shoot they don't just wander into like
他们不会像
caloa in Mexico and say Hey I want to
墨西哥的卡洛亚那样闲逛，说嘿，我想
meet up with the caloa cartel like I
见见卡洛亚卡特尔 就像我
would get killed
100% in Mexico we got access to these
在墨西哥会 100% 被杀一样，我们可以进入这些
fentel Labs that also they use to
芬特尔实验室，他们也用它们来
distribute cocaine we get there this is
分发可卡因，我们到达那里，这是一次
quite an intense experience because they
非常紧张的经历，因为他们
told us that the Marines are in town and
告诉我们海军陆战队就在城里，
they're kind of they've been spotted in
他们是那种他们的人。 有人在
the area they worried they might get
该地区被发现，他们担心他们可能会被
kind of seen okay he want you to come
看到，好吧，他希望你
in cuz the Marines
进来，因为海军陆战队
too and I was like could they just bust
也是如此，我想他们是否可以随时
through the door at any point we we kind
破门而入，我们
of get rushed into this house there's
有点冲进这所房子，
like a flame on the floor for some
就像 出于某种原因，地板上有火焰，
reason like he's like set a fire on the
就像他在地板上放火一样，
floor I don't know whether it's for
我不知道是为了
light or so like is there going to be a
照明，还是
shootout in the back Garden there's like
后花园里会发生枪战，就像
a vat of pen all and the fumes are
一桶钢笔和烟雾 真的
really dangerous you say I need to wipe
很危险，你说我需要擦拭
the cameras
摄像头，
though it's like one of the most deadly
尽管它就像世界上最致命的
drugs in the world like a really small
药物之一，就像非常
amount of it can kill a human just
少量的它可以在任何有风险的地方杀死一个人，
everywhere there's risk and you're just
你
like oh my God you know and he obviously
就像天哪，你知道吗？ 他显然
like regretted having us there so he
很后悔让我们在那里，所以他
then wants us to get out very quickly
希望我们很快离开，
um that was that was crazy it's
嗯，这太疯狂了，这是
local so pretty intense experience
当地的，所以经历非常激烈，
there's a moment where
有那么一刻，就被
just get pulled away it's in the middle
拉走了，
of doing like a a master interview with
就像在对我们进行一次大师采访一样，
us so he just kind of leaves seems
所以 他只是有点离开，似乎真的很
really annoyed seems really kind of like
生气，似乎真的有点
freaked out he's just like I need to go
吓坏了，他就像我需要
pulls off his mic and walks out and you
摘下他的麦克风然后走出去，你
just don't know why and obviously you
只是不知道为什么，显然你
want to but you just have to accept
想要，但你只需要接受
making these films there's going to be
制作这些 电影里会有
so much you never really get to
很多你永远无法真正
understand there was a guy behind the
理解的事情，有一个人在
scenes the whole time who was trying to
幕后一直试图
basically intimidate us you know at one
恐吓我们，你知道，在某一
point uh he made us put blindfolds on
时刻，他让我们戴上眼罩，
put our heads to the floor and said to
把我们的头放在地板上，然后说 对
us that if we revealed the location we
我们来说，如果我们透露地点，我们
wouldn't be allowed to leave the country
将不被允许离开这个国家
and then um he we get to this place
，然后嗯，我们到达了
where the tigers are and I say to him oh
老虎所在的地方，我对他说哦，
those electric fences for the Tigers and
老虎的那些电围栏，
then he says no they're for the
然后他说不，他们” 是为
journalists they're for people like
记者们准备的，是为像
you imagine being an enemy of Louis and
你这样的人准备的，想象一下，你是路易斯的敌人，
him setting these on you there we go
他把这些东西放在你身上，我们去
there we go there we go oh no I'm sorry
那里，我们去那里，我们去哦，不，对不起，
you can have it you can have it you just
你可以拥有它，你可以拥有它，你就
take
拿着
it have you ever fed any of your enemies
它 你有没有把你的敌人喂给
to Tigers no a story then came out a few
老虎？几个月后出现了一个
months later about a Mexican cartel man
关于墨西哥卡特尔男子
who was feeding his enemies to
tigers in the UK it's a bit more
在英国把他的敌人喂给老虎的故事，这有点
worrying because I live here and when I
令人担忧，因为我住在这里，当我在
do films here it is easier for them to
这里拍电影时 他们更容易在伯明翰
find out who you
找到你
are in Birmingham I meet these two guys
是谁，我在伯明翰遇到了这两个人，
who are like um suppose more junior
他们就像是，嗯，假设有更多的
level gang members they start telling me
初级帮派成员，他们开始告诉我，
that they've got a Kos and then one of
他们有一个科斯，然后其中一个
them um kind of starts getting really
嗯，有点像 开始变得非常
aggressive what is that thing in in your
咄咄逼人，你口袋里的东西是什么，那
pocket there what is
是什么，是
yeah don't record your face okay are you
的，不要录下你的脸，好吧，你
sure man for sure and like I thought the
确定吗，伙计，我以为那
guy knew each other but then they start
家伙互相认识，但后来他们开始
arguing and then it all just gets out of
争吵，然后一切就都泄露出去了
control and then one guy gets absolutely
然后一个人彻底
smashed he Downs a bottle of vodka and
崩溃了，他喝下一瓶伏特加，
then all hell breaks loose and I'm just
然后一切都乱了套，我
like what the hell is going on listen to
就像到底发生了什么，
me carefully now you're here
仔细听我说，现在你在这里，是
yeah whole thing is just
的，整件事只是
nuts just thinking back I'm just like
胡思乱想 回来我就想，
wow what a crazy
哇，英格兰北部的世界多么疯狂
[掌声]
world in the north of England uh where I
呃，在那里我
meet F and N kind of two gang members
遇到了F和N这样的两个帮派成员，他们
who have formed this kind of Brotherly
形成了这种兄弟般的
Bond um it's it's quite a sad episode
纽带，嗯，这是一个非常悲伤的插曲
that one because both of those guys seem
因为这两个人
to kind of just be looking for belonging
似乎只是在寻找归属感，
a sense of kind of camaraderie and they
一种友情感，他们
found each other and you know it shows
找到了彼此，你知道这向
you one of the big appeals of gang life
你展示了帮派生活的一大吸引力，
which is just Community they found each
这就是他们找到彼此的社区 第一次
other they feel accepted for the first
接受，
time and they both kind of like depend
他们都有点
on each other I was like I kind of get
互相依赖，我想我有点
it I think you've made a terrible
明白了，我认为你做了一个糟糕的
decision but I understand where you're
决定，但我明白你来自哪里，
coming from get
让
his
他的
bodying straight through here it's nice
身体直接通过这里，这很好，
and easy nice and slow so there's this
简单、美好、缓慢，所以有这样一个
scene where the guy comes with like 5
场景，那个家伙带着大约 5
kilos of weed that he's just picked up
公斤的大麻，他刚从
off the
street so we got this huge bag of weed
街上捡到，所以我们得到了一大袋大麻，
just throws it on the floor lights it up
只是把它扔在地板上，点燃它，
starts smoking it to see whether it's
开始抽它，看看它是否是
good
quality let's feel it let's taste
质量很好，让我们感受一下，让我们尝尝
it you know what F what a it's a Tiny
它，你知道什么，F 这是一个小
Town you know little quaint cute Village
城镇，你知道的小古朴可爱的村庄，
like everyone knows everyone and these
就像每个人都认识每个人一样，这些
guys are just freaking running like a
家伙只是像[音乐]中的制药厂一样疯狂地奔跑，
drug Factory from
it I'm a guy who um you know I'm from
我是一个 嗯，你知道
I'm from Liverpool from a little bit of
我来自利物浦，来自
a rough place in Liverpool there was a
利物浦的一个地方，那里的
lot of kind of gang members criminality
帮派成员有很多犯罪行为，
so when I go on these shoots I'm just
所以当我继续拍摄这些照片时，我
like oh it's just the lads from school
就想，哦，这只是来自利物浦的小伙子们。
again this is the thing that kind it's
又是学校，这就是那种事情，这就是
kind of the reason I do it because the
我这样做的原因，因为
world is so nuanced you know good people
世界是如此微妙，你知道好人
can be bad bad people can be good it's
可能是坏人，坏人也可能是好人，
little things that surprise you when you
当你意识到人性时，一些小事情会让你感到惊讶，
realize the humanity and so like you
所以就像你
know in in Mexico Lis for him his
知道的那样 在墨西哥，利斯对他来说，他
favorite series was
最喜欢的连续剧是
friends Ross and his favorite character
朋友罗斯，他最喜欢的角色
was Ross and you're like I also like
是罗斯，你就像我也喜欢
friends my you know favorite character
朋友，你知道最喜欢的角色
is Ross you know like this is a guy who
是罗斯，你知道这个人
probably killed a lot of people you know
可能杀了很多你认识的人
sells fenel like the world's deadliest
卖茴香就像世界上最致命的
drug basically you know to like you know
毒品一样基本上你知道喜欢你知道
around the world you know at the same
世界各地你知道
time he has similar interests and he's
同时他有相似的兴趣而且他
just a total normal guy the guy in
只是一个完全正常的人在
Colombia he loved football and in the UK
哥伦比亚他喜欢足球在英国
he liked to uh renovate houses talking
他喜欢呃翻新 房子跟
to me about this new fireplace he's
我谈论他安装的这个新壁炉，
installed and you know away from the
你知道，远离
crime they are just normal people with
犯罪，他们只是有
normal Hobbies the biggest reason I do
正常爱好的普通人，我这样做的最大原因
it is because I want to figure out why
是因为我想弄清楚为什么
people go into crime and it always
人们会犯罪，而且它总是
thought it was quite quite interesting
认为这是相当的 非常有趣，
because it would quite often be similar
因为通常都是类似的
people who would you know one person
人，你知道一个人
would end up in some criminal situation
最终会陷入某种犯罪情况，
another person would go on to do good
另一个人会继续做好
stuff and it's kind of like why is that
事，这有点像为什么最
the trickiest thing is when it comes
棘手的事情是当它变得
more personal as if in your own family
更加个人化时 如果在你自己的家庭里，
like your kids that my father thinks my
像你的孩子一样，我父亲认为我
son's a scumbag you know they're all
儿子是个渣男，你知道他们都是
like you know young lads who grew up in
像你知道的那样，在
semi-aggressive environments in like
半侵略性的环境中长大的年轻人，比如
poorer areas um where they didn't have
贫困地区，嗯，在那里他们没有
major role models to kind of look up
主要的榜样
to now a lot of people are saying is it
到目前为止，很多人都在说这是
real someone said anyone who knows the
真的吗有人说任何了解这个
game will know that a program like this
游戏的人都会知道这样的程序
is extremely fake if you were neck deep
是非常假的如果你深陷
in the drugs trade you wouldn't speak to
毒品交易你不会和
anybody like I think we live in a world
像我这样的人说话 认为我们生活在一个充满
of of conspiracy and misinformation so
阴谋和错误信息的世界里，所以
everyone thinks everything is a liar um
每个人都认为一切都是骗子，嗯，
they're not actors there's absolutely no
他们不是演员，
benefit for me to interview some actors
采访一些
who pretend to be criminals you know
假装是罪犯的演员对我来说绝对没有任何好处，你知道
someone said why would you risk
有人说你为什么要冒
everything and expose yourself the top
一切风险去揭露
of your game for a Channel 4 documentary
most of the time we'll hide their
大多数时候，我们会隐藏他们的
identity we'll hide the locations that
身份，我们会隐藏我们所在的位置，
we're in um it may look like we're
嗯，看起来我们正在
showing their locations but often you
展示他们的位置，但通常你
know might shoot a different area so
知道可能会拍摄一个 不同的区域，这样
that you're not seeing exactly where
你就看不到它们到底在哪里，
they are the absolute biggest relief of
all these things is sitting on the
所有这些事情的最大缓解就是坐在比赛场地上，
playing home because these things are
因为这些事情
fascinating in retrospect but when
回想起来很有趣，但当
you're there they're just horrible you
你在那里时，它们太可怕了，你
know you're so unbelievably stressed out
知道你在 如此令人难以置信的压力
would I ever want to be a Kingpin uh
我是否想成为一个金并呃
definitely not they don't enjoy it it's
绝对不是他们不喜欢这是
a rubbish life you know they'll tell you
一种垃圾生活你知道他们会
time and time again it's stressful it's
一次又一次地告诉你压力很大
scary they're Addicted to Money they're
很可怕他们对金钱上瘾了他们
addicted to the power but like their
上瘾了 权力，但就像他们的
life is not good it is a horrific life
生活并不好，这是一种可怕的生活
and um I don't even think they suggest
，嗯，我什至不认为他们
it to anybody you have to kill people
向任何人建议你必须杀死
you know you have to constantly look
你知道的人，你必须不断地
over your shoulder that you have to
审视你的肩膀，你必须把
surround yourself with very damaged
自己包围起来 非常受伤害的
people cuz there's these kind of drug
人，因为有这样的
users and you see horrific stuff you're
吸毒者，你看到可怕的东西，你受到了
traumatized so you know it is a [\h__\h]
创伤，所以你知道这是一种糟糕的
life and you know don't do it that's the
生活，你知道不要这样做，这就是
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conclusion
结论